Frank Ocean For ‘The Fader’
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Have any of you lifers (including the owners) ever listen to Frank Ocean? He can’t sing. True music fans like myself can see this…. i wonder why ya’ll cant. If we stop jumping on the bandwagon of all these so called musicians then we would have better music for our children and future generations to listen to. a catchy beat and some crazy lyrics should not be considered good music. hip-hop is dead and everthing else that use to resemble music is too. Sad!
Meh…
I dig Ocean for what it is..
Good Music! is he Marvin Gaye Nope..but I like his stuff.
that’s because music is not a SKILLS contest.
i’ll make it dumber for you. only a fool would use the same metric to gauge artists that they use to gauge athletics – i.e. measurables.
the quality of an artist is not gauged by his/her range. sade is the classic proof of this. very limited range – yet an iconic artist. billie holiday was one of the worst “singing” artists of her generation – yet her music is now iconic – her chord progressions legendary.
the true quality of an artist is his/her resonance with his/her fan base. The fans feel it – the art is viable. if they don’t – then he’s less viable. if you don’t like it – move on.
in fact, your contention about bad music weakening music bloodlines applies doubly to you. With your so-called “true music” fandom – you have the real responsibility to find so called “true” music and champion it – INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING.
So if music has deteriorated – it’s because of you – not frank ocean.
but let’s be real. you’re not a true music fan. YOU’RE A FOOL.
Preach
put out a match with a fire hydrant much?
the argument absolutely can be sustained that quality music on behalf of brilliant musicians is fading from the mainstream… your argument would substantiate any fool with a keyboard and fruity loops with a fanbase being a musical mastermind simply because of his fanbase… I’m sure there are many TRUE musicians who would heavily doubt your theory based on popular opinion alone… Quincy Jones for starters… check his rant on quality music… not that his opion is the gospel, I’m just sayin’, popularity in no way equates directly to artistic genius… i.e. soulja boy. There is REAL musical genius, ability and uncanny presentation-ability i.e. M.J., and there is truly “popular garbage” promoted by the mass acceptance of less and less “quality” sound.
accept it for what is, but don’t be so hasty to depreciate the value of the highly trained or uniquely talented musical artist… even if he or she isn’t in the billboard top ten…
first of all, and I’m gonna be restrained – michael jackson’s musical “genius” is greatly overrated. he didn’t compose or produce. he didn’t write his own songs. He didn’t even choreograph his own dance pieces. michael jackson was a superlative performer – he was a star – a template upon which less marketable musicians fitted their craft. the fact that MJ – rest in peace – gets so much credit for it is a DEFECT of the audience. That’s why it’s so interesting that you mention the audience being an imperfect arbiter. The irony of you name checking quincy is that even quincy rode on michael for being overrated.
The word genius was never used in my post. You used it so I’ll let you debate its provenance with yourself.
my post does substantiate the guy with keys and fruity loops because music was never difficult to make. the barriers to entry to making music have always been cost – (instruction and instruments). the fact that music has become democratic has revealed the obvious – that music is within the reach of the masses and not the select few. and this bothers those who worship musicians as well as musicians who benefited from the notion that music is elite.
if 1% of the planet can make dope music – that’s still 70 MILLION dope musicians (assuming 7 billion on the planet). take half of that – and it’s 35 MILLION – and half of that…. you get the point.
i’m classically trained and most of the real “musical genius” you quote – including the artists you name check – are fundamentally unsound – i.e. simplistic repetitive bullshit. But here comes that audience (you and old heads like you in this instance) being the arbiter again.
so which one is it?? does the audience decide or doesn’t it?
You: “the true quality of an artist is his/her resonance with his/her fan base. The fans feel it – the art is viable. if they don’t – then he’s less viable. if you don’t like it – move on. ”
the point, my wordy friend, is that the TRUE QUALITY of an ARTIST is absolutely NOT their fan base. Nothing more, nothing less. You, being “classically trained” in a “less popular” yet arguably more artistically inclined genre i.e. classical music, should be the last person to espouse such rubbish.
so then, my aged and internally inconsistent friend, is the true quality of an artist?
So fine.
Um…he’s cute.
He’s doing better than wat you doing stop hatin!
Guess he finally took the fade
lmao, yeah he caught the FADE!
And anon go suck some dick, and get your fingers out ya ass.
yall niggas sound smart as shit…that’s wassup B!!! You be reading books in shit I bet. Y’all sound like professors. That’s def wassup
Lol… I don’t know if it was intentional but congrats on having the funniest post.
Great artists to look forward to: ones that make you think and feel.. therefore, inspire.. all the calculations are unnecessary and tired.. that’s not what artistry is about. If you’re looking for anything that pushes feeling, you don’t care too much about the type of artist that the person looking for the hardcore, do it all from a twig type artist is.. its all relative.. which is what makes it ART. No one definition of greatness. You may value Picasso whereas someone else that is maybe more or less calculated, looks at it as overrated blotting.. “beauty is in the eyes of the beholder” being classically or ear trained or amateur or professional has little to nothing to do with it.. its all in your senses’ beliefs. I like Frank’s music and Sinatra’s and Chris Brown’s and Bob Dylan’s and Michael’s and Sade’s and R Kelly’s and Adele’s and Tupac Shakur’s and Maroon 5′s and Chelsea’s and Bob Ross’ and Christina Perri’s and Bob Marley’s and Big Daddy Kane’s and Radiohead’s and Coldplay’s and Thom Yorke’s and Mr Hudson’s and Lykke Li’s and John Legend’s and Jessica Wilson’s and Alicia Keys’ and mine Al Major’s and U2′s and Immortal Technique’s and etc.. its art.. art is supposed to move someone. Evolve.. sometimes things being a little off sounds better to me that classically placed.. sometimes you like order.. whatever moves you.. Frank Ocean’s topics are winning and the portrayal of opinion of the topics are moving whether you agree with the portrait or not..
It’s already in the air and now has life..
Oh.. and with THAT said, I now press play on DUST by Ocean #POW *volume to 10*